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My theory: He was Collateral Damage

Today a U.S. citizen was shot and killed in Miami, Florida. My theory is that this will be happening to many more Americans instead of the "real" terrorists who terrorize this country and abroad:




My theory is we are under martial law and many law enforcement officials will shoot first then ask questions later as in this case. So far reports have indicated that there was no bomb in this man's backpack. They subsequently conveniently destroyed his luggage erasing all evidence that could possibly have shown that he was not a danger to himself nor to others:




Added: Also so far no civilians can nor has supported the claim by air marshals that the man said that they heard him say that he had a bomb. That is, so far no one has stated that they heard him say that he had a bomb. No one.


Be careful, Americans. You may be next:


http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/12/07/airplane.gunshot/index.html





Another theory of mine is that this was done purposefully to show the terrorists that "we" mean business. Another... he was collateral damage. It scares me actually because if our government can do this to him then they could do it to ME or to one of my loved ones. Just saying.


I suspect that this order came from the "top" down (as in the President of the U.S. down) as in anything else. It comes from the "top" down so I do not blame these law enforcement officials. Their job is to enforce the law. That is... martial law. Again... this is only my theory.


In the meantime, see you at the gun range with my t-shirt that says, "Pro Self-Preservation American."



Edit:

Also

1. Two people who were interviewed talked about God and praying... yet they sure had no problem that these shooters murdered this man. To date there was no bomb found. Makes you wonder.


2. These shooters were trained. As in trained to kill. They could have shot to injure but no. My theory is that their order was and is TO KILL. In this case to me the killing was murder as in wrongful killing.


3. I travel a lot between HomeHome and Washington DC. Sometimes I act weird. Will they shoot me too then claim that I said I had a bomb with no witnesses to confirm such assertion?


4. I know that many people are desensitized but me as someone's wife... I have a husband and I think it is wrong to shoot to kill when they could have shot to injure as these are trained marksmen. They are not amateur ones. They are professionals but like I've stated... many Americans are desensitized but I as someone's wife... I have a husband and if that happened to me I would be deeply saddened so I feel for his wife. Unfortunately many people simply don't feel. A result of being desensitized. As a Hawaiian... I know what our government is capable of doing and continues to do AND get away with it. Just saying....

5. I am a registered Republican and do not wish to bash President Bush. However I can say that this country is really screwed up in some ways.

6. They were allegedly married for 22 years (see http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/12/08/alpizar.profile.ap/index.html/). If I lost my husband then I would lose my world. If I lost aku palu then I would lose my WORLD. If I were her... I would sue the government for destroying her world but that's just me. My husband IS my world. She just lost hers of allegedly 22 years or so.


7. Other married people can probably understand what I mean by this. Just saying.

Also please note that I live with my husband in Florida. I should have mentioned that before but alot of people read this and I do not wish to be stalked. It is important that I state that I live in Florida (as well as near Washington DC) so yes... this story hits VERY close to me as I live VERY close to Miami. Our government scares me. If and when they want to take you out... they can and they will. I know because I am Hawaiian. They did it to US and continue to do it to us just because they wanted Pearl Harbor. They just took Hawaiians out and almost destroyed us, our language, and our culture... so I am a bit scared of our government. Ever since I was a little girl being born and raised in Hawaii... I have always felt this way so don't mind me :O

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jkrissw
Dec. 8th, 2005 03:59 am (UTC)
So far reports have indicated that there was no bomb in this man's backpack.

No, but I read that he was acting very erratically, and that his travel companion said he was bipolar and had gone off of his medication. This, from CNN:

"A passenger, Mary Gardner, told WTVJ in Miami that the man ran frantically down the aisle from the rear of the plane, arms flailing, and that the woman accompanying him said that her husband was bipolar and had not taken his medication, according to The Associated Press.

After he got off the plane in Miami and went through customs, he got on the Orlando-bound plane and said he had a bomb, Air Marshal Service spokesman Dave Adams said. (Read about air marshals being taught to avoid risk)

Air marshals asked him to get off the plane, which he did, but when they asked him to put his bag down, he refused, Adams said. Alpizar then approached the marshals in an aggressive manner, at which point two or three shots were fired, he said. "

Doesn't sound like much of a government conspiracy to me, just security agents exhibiting due diligence and a poor shnook who chose the wrong time to go off of his meds. An ex-girlfriend of mine was bipolar, and just narrowly missed getting sent to jail for a long time when she was off her meds and (this was a very mild-mannered short chiropractor) put her hand on her sheath knife when confronted by a policeman once. It's believable to me. Some bi-polar people get into a very unreal state of mind in their manic phase.

anightwlkr
Dec. 8th, 2005 12:54 pm (UTC)
I like your second theory other than the Martial Law comment. Not sure if you ever been to a country that is in martial law....scary place to be. We may get there some day, as for now we are far off.

"Added: Also so far no civilians can nor has supported the claim by air marshals that the man said that they heard him say that he had a bomb. That is, so far no one has stated that they heard him say that he had a bomb. No one."

Not sure if you are implying that the air marshals are not telling the truth? I agree with questioning and analyzing certain events, but recently we as a society question everything and trusts nobody. A feeling of comfort has been lost in our country from a president that is not working with a full deck to a media that twist and turns the news to their liking.

Not to be an old fart but sure liked it back when all of this crap didn't happen.....but I guess I was a kid and crap was happening and I was not aware of it....

opps....ranting
haolegirl
Dec. 8th, 2005 04:21 pm (UTC)
it's just really suspicious to me and it really bothers me as i live nearby to where this happened
fliprican_1
Dec. 8th, 2005 03:14 pm (UTC)
yeah mos def i agree with ur theory...shit just didnt make any sense to me.
haolegirl
Dec. 8th, 2005 04:22 pm (UTC)
yep... very suspicious to me and it's not that he's latin either as i live nearby and there are many latins. it's the way it was carried out. very suspicious to me.
dancingbudha
Dec. 8th, 2005 03:59 pm (UTC)

M'kay, when you use the word "bomb" anywhere near an airport, automatically people's defenses go up. Picture it, September 11, 2001: On the United Airlines flight from Newark to San Francisco, ON the Cockpit Voice Recorder, the hijackers said they had a bomb. The flight attendants who made phone calls said they saw a bomb. Yeah yeah, okay. The asassination of Egyptian president Anwar Sadat: a young woman holding a baby asks the leader to kiss her baby during a parade. As he does so, she reveals she AND the baby are strapped with enough C4 to blow them all to Hell.. which she does.

Bombing of the Federal Building in Oklohoma City... AMERICAN citizens responsible. WHITE AMERICAN citizens. While I myself am haole and yet tend to dislike them (I live in the South, can you really blame me?) the point is that bombers come in ALL shapes, sizes, and colors. There is no typical terrorist anymore.

With this Miami thing, unfortunately American Airlines will not allow its employees to make statements to the press. Something to do with the Railway Labor Act. In any event, the flight attendant union HAS made statements without releasing names. Several flight attendants did hear him say he had a bomb and make threats to detonate said device. We are taught NOT to antagonize would-be terrorists who claim to have explosives because the new breed is the suicide bomber. So asking him/her to show you the bomb would likely make him/her just detonate it.

Now, it is unfortunate that this man was killed... HOWEVER, since Sept. 11, that is the ONLY way to be 100% sure a suicide bomber will not accomplish his/her mission. Short of breaking off his arms and legs, what other way do you suggest? It is standard procedure to immediately destroy any items and such of someone claiming to have a bomb. That's to ensure that if there IS a bomb, it won't be blowing everyone to hell, like President Sadat.

I usually believe the U.S. government is bad and up to something but in this case I have to disagree with you. As a flight attendant I'm glad this man is in a morgue somewhere and not 100+ people. As a human being I am sad because he is dead and probably needlessly. As an American I am proud because for once, finally a government program did its job as it was designed to.

So think what you want. But try to throw the conspiracy theory stuff out the window. And by the way, Miami is the most racially and culturally diverse base there is for American Airlines so profiling played no part.
haolegirl
Dec. 8th, 2005 04:24 pm (UTC)
that is so true about the word "bomb" but to me its very very suspicious to have someone shot the way he was and i live nearby so it was a complete shock to me.
dancingbudha
Dec. 8th, 2005 04:07 pm (UTC)

A follow-up.

3 months ago, I was working a flight from Boston - Ft. Lauderdale. A passenger showed a knife and attempted to break into the cockpit. He kept yelling how he was going to take-over the plane and kill everyone on it. As a crew, we took that son of a bitch down, hog tied him with a seatbelt and gagged him with a lovely holiday tie. No passengers ever recalled hearing or seeing anything. Hmmm... Yet the pilots heard and Air Traffic Control could even hear the yelling while the pilots were calling them for help. Now you tell me why? Because no one in this country gives a shit, that's why. Did this incident make the news? For the most part no. Why? Because some flight attendants saving lives and taking control doesn't show anything. Air Marshals shooting a man shows tax money at work.

Think about it.
haolegirl
Dec. 8th, 2005 04:46 pm (UTC)
they were observant and the flight attendants' lives were at risk too. i should have added that but i have been reading too much and listening to some of what my husband has been telling me so of course... lately i have been more paranoid than normal.
dancingbudha
Dec. 8th, 2005 05:22 pm (UTC)

Well shit, every time Bush goes on TV, I cringe. I mean, he addressed the United Nations however long ago and I could see everyone just rolling their eyes. And now with the Iraq crap taking another step in whatever direction, I swear we've all just become one giant target... AGAIN. *sigh*
dancingbudha
Dec. 9th, 2005 12:49 am (UTC)


3. I travel a lot between HomeHome and Washington DC. Sometimes I act weird. Will they shoot me too then claim that I said I had a bomb with no witnesses to confirm such assertion?




Well if you get up clutching a bag saying you have a bomb, then refuse to put it down... Yeah, you're gonna get shot. Once again, that is definately extreme, I don't disagree with you on that. I was on an airliner on Sept. 11, 2001 and I'll never forget how terrified I was when the Captain told me what was going on. And when he handed me the crash ax and said they're killing the flight attendants I nearly died on the spot. So until you're in that position I don't think you'll ever understand.

This is not political, this is about keeping people safe. I think it's terrible that this poor woman has lost her husband; I would certainly want to die too, were I in her position. But let's look at it this way; if that man needed his meds and was so mentally afflicted, then what the hell was he doing on a plane in the first place!? I mean, you can't just pull over and stop at Long's at 35,000 feet up.

Again with the shoot-to-kill. Had the man only just been injured, he could still have detonated a bomb, if one had been present. That's why it has to be this way. So if the man did have a bomb, what would you be thinking? Yeah yeah yeah, but he didn't have one. But what if he DID? Would you want to be one of the people on that plane? I don't think so. Show me pure murderous intent on the part of the Air Marshals and I'll relent my position.
(Anonymous)
Dec. 9th, 2005 01:34 am (UTC)
That's the thing... I don't think that they intended to hurt an innocent people. One of my best friends is a cop and he teaches other cops so I know that they are careful. He also told me that sometimes the cop(s) are trigger happy. That is what it seems like in this case and yes... what do I EXPECT the marshals to do? Just wait to find out or shoot just in case he did have a bomb? Hard call. That is the part that I didn't comment on.

Also flight attendants will react differently since they are/were there so I don't blame flight attendants for worrying. In this case though I know what cops do well law enforcement officials and in this case I think they screwed up. Thats not to say that I dont want them to do with their job but I think in this one... they screwed up. Just my opinion though and I am a passenger on airplanes every two weeks or so and if that happened on my flight I would be scared but from what it sounds like from published reports as well as by interviews... I think the two guys were trigger happy. Did they do their job? I dont know and I still want the air marshals to protect me but these two seemed trigger happy.

Was it ordered? I doubt it... but that photo of the victim and his wife... well it struck a chord with me since my husband and I have known each other for about 20 years. I can identify with his wife and the pain. I really really feel for her. That is partly why too so it's not just one thing and I dont expect people to agree with me plus I know you fly more than I do so you are at great great risk. I fly at most four or six times a month but that still puts me at risk too and would hope the marshals protect me too. I just hope I dont get shot by someone trigger happy.
haolegirl
Dec. 9th, 2005 01:37 am (UTC)
That was me... not signed in grr but yeah... your perspective is different because you fly way more than I do. Way way more.
dancingbudha
Dec. 12th, 2005 02:22 am (UTC)

It's okay... I still adore you. :-)
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